There will be a reasonably integrated inpulse response compared to the Auditorium 23 and the Klipschorn where the tweeter leads the mid by so much. "The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself!". Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? Here's the 1953 plans. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be? I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. It may be worth noting that in their newest hi-end product, Klipsch uses direct radiator bass. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? Owned and used a pair of 1974 Cornwalls for a decade. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. [] Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y] Display as a link instead, Did he say why (in detail)? glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. Just a fun debate for me. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end I think you both will like them very much, both for their aesthetic qualities and their incredible sound. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828. ). Cant do that with new stuff. I don't know about the 811, but I had a 511 that I was using in place of the K-400 in my La Scala's, and it was night and day better than the K-400. It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. He was thrilled. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. Your previous content has been restored. So I took the best of both worlds. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita Item Information. What driver would you recommend for the 511B horn? Your link has been automatically embedded. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair Although I have had Khorns sound good My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. Materion Truextent makes replacement diaphragms, http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/publications/techletters/AN-11_EnclosurePlans.pdf. I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. Paste as plain text instead, 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. Shoot, even as good as they sound now, I am still anxious to try other amps & other fine tuning experiments, just my nature. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . Forum Policies, Rules, and Terms of Service. I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. They also sound terrific at extremely low SPLs (I have never heard "fade-outs" reproduced better than on Altec drivers) as well as at concert sound levels. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's It takes me about a month of really careful listening and comparison to really get over this novelty effect and come to an understanding of what each pair of speakers really sounds like. What crossover frequency were you planning on using? Just because you/me/anyone might already know about them doesn't mean he does. By Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex co well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. Clear editor. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Your link has been automatically embedded. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. They all sound good and they're all different. What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? The A7 (pictured here) is Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. Yes, the 511 takes up the entire top front of the LaScala. In any case, you will want to experiment with It will work ok at 400 Hz. actually better than many expensive gears I heard. 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. That is indeed a beautiful 2a3 amp, did you build it Arash? Paste as plain text instead, Not my intent at all. It's a home-build DIY 6SN7 driven 2A3 3.5Wpc amp: very nice 2A3 amp. Just sent an email to my friend. You can post now and register later. Best Offer: Quote Chris A Heritage Members 9.7k Location: Arlington, Texas, USA Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! I have become increasing aware of some really nice looking vintage Altec Lansing speakers that are horn loaded. 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. You can post now and register later. Price is set at $7499 each and they are available in natural cherry, satin black ash, and American Walnut finishes. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. could you say more about your experience with jubs? Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. Upload or insert images from URL. The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. Changing either one is vertually impossible without a total redesign! Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! Upload or insert images from URL. I have them in my Belles and cross them at 700. I have put a lot of Labor i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundiment WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! too different .. to compare the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently the KH produces bass performance the 19 Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. Display as a link instead, You cannot paste images directly. Quote. Schu The A7's are really nice from the upper bass to the top end. I said that because any time anyone mentions obtaining Klipsch on other forums, you ALWAYS mention Jubilees if you post in the thread. Yeh. The Khorn bass was better. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. Add to cart. I am interested in mating my K55M to an Altec 511 but have been having trouble finding them. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of speaker is necessarily better, but would say that the speakers all are different. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. In other words, they are never going to sound like A7's or K-horns. Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. (e.g., check the vertical polar pattern on the Iwata profile horn that you propose, not just the horizontal pattern), and I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). By Many may know that I've been building for about 35 years. ). This item is sold As-Described and cannot be returned unless it arrives in a condition different from how it was described or photographed. Khorns have surprisingly high WAF. He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. Your previous content has been restored. They can be improved by modifications to a completely superior level. Free shipping for many products! I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Having heard both in a number of different rooms and setups,The Klipschorn is more room dependent and Amplifier dependent than the Altec 19s. When the room is Big and Khorns are in Proper Corners and you have good tube amplification the Klipschorns will smoke the Altec 19s. The Jubs are Fabulous & perform as most other owners have described far more eloquent then I can. The bottom end is there but not so predominant until the power is applied and at that point things are It weighs about 220 lb. July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. As someone else said, I'd be happy with either of them. IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. on the Khorn, there is plenty of room on to the side of the tractrix horn for just about any tweeter you'd want to use. I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. As for tonal balance and voicing, well that varies Both companies make speakers lots of people like. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Items must be returned in original, as-shipped condition with all original packaging.Learn More. Which is why, I have a preference for running multiple systems at the same time, When I am running my A7's with tube amplification, I am also running two other systems with conventional designed tower speakers, powered by solid state amps. List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. Altec 19s win for me. I have owned both and I felt the 19's had a flatter response with a more realistic sound. Very much a turnkey speaker system. You won't regret it! Condition: Used Used. View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. trouble is , they were both working, and then at a later time the horn was not working on one of them. Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Sounds like you have found them underwhelming. This article explains what we need to know about these speakers that are still highly sought-after with many still in use in cinemas. Pasted as rich text. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. $12,000), the finish DOES matter to a significant degree. Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. Price: US $4,000.00. Your previous content has been restored. Please. Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you They are HUGE and so is their sound. By reputation alone, I would certainly consider a pair of Klipsch Jubilie. If I can help any one with specific questions, PM or email me. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. Those wooden horns look very cool. Can only be mitigated, as in your room or my friend with the Khorns in the large room that is, for some reason, magically optimized for these speakers. Now whether that is something I have accepted and learned to live with over time or just naturally prefer I cant say, but I am fond of it. 19 thread, []. yes It was built here. I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. Affiliate programs and I want him to try them out. Display as a link instead, DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. Upload or insert images from URL. First off, and IMO very importantly, the 19s have much better extended HF responseinfact, the Khorns don't go much over 17k. This website and its contents are copyright 2020 KCK Media Corp. All rights reserved. On the Altec Lansing forum, it may be the opposite. Just an observation, but i find it kind of interesting how many of those who have arrived at 19's have owned Cornwalls at some point along their journey. All except for the part about dealing with the shortcomings of horn shout, which is a problem that cannot be solved. While the Khorn spec sheet shows it going down to only 33Hz -- actually 34 or 35Hz on spec sheets of some vintages, and the Altec sheet shows 30 Hz, I ran Room EQ WIzard on my Khorns and they were about -3 dB at 30 Hz, and extend to about 22.5 Hz at - 10 dB. excellent in a small room and in a big room, word of mouth and My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". The sound is very good. For two rather i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundimental to others. Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? If someone is contemplating new Khorns then I think they might want to know about the Jubilee's. I have never heard the 19 pitted against the Khorn, but I agree that it is a very good speaker. Pasted as rich text. WebBuy Klipsch Heritage here: https://paducahhometheater.com/collections/klipsch-heritagePaducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep. I keep reading about how nice the mid-range Tactrix horns are.is Klipsch now (at this time) building new Klipschorn speakers with the Tactrix mid range horns??? The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. The Altecs haved dynamics coupled with an effortlessness that's essentially unmatched by anything else even close to reasonably sized or priced. Your link has been automatically embedded. 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. I have never been a fan of aluminum or titanium tweeters. Posted February 9, 2005. Thank you, man! Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. and have owned Cornwall, Choruses, and Fortes. Oops, looks like you forgot something. $178.24 for 24 months with PayPal Credit* Buy It Now. If you were more specific about what Klipsches you are thinking about, you would get more informed answers. No mean feat. Including the guy who had $500 and was thinking of Fortes. Had he not made his comment about buying a new pair of Khorns, I would have not said anything. []. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! You cannot paste images directly. It won't interfere with the woofer at all. " Interesting. Upload or insert images from URL. For the record, I bought an original set of Altec A7-500s in 1968, and they are still my main speakers - modified, of course. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Guys, The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a For the Belle you can do better. They pioneered two way design and were the industry standard in recording studios for years. 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. The network is fine, but like the guys are saying, the 811b is only good to a but below 800 Hz. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Have fun with it. both 811 and 511 sound far better than K-400. It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet. It was to prove that the 511b would go below 500 Hz down to 400. he also builds one for Khorn with the option of a replacement Khorn tophat motorboard if desired. First let me say my post ( Mdl 19 is a two way, perhaps we should be comparing it to the Klipsch Enjoy my friends, now back to our Altec mdl. The owner had used them with 311-90 horns and some 288's. On 1/20/2005 8:40:10 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: On 1/20/2005 11:02:47 AM Al Klappenberger wrote: Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. I have had my Khorns since 1982, and I'm still experimenting. And in the Cornwall, a full-range domestic loudspeaker that is well regarded, a direct radiator, ported bass is used. http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=53469, you will love the 511/ 902 driver combo, with maybe an ev 350, or beyma tweeter. Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. I personally don't care for the Altec horns. They just sound "off" and I dunno how else to describe it. I would much sooner go with an EV or JBL, b This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. It measures 53 high, 31 wide, and 28 deep. Are they really that different??? Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. The pair of tractrix horns, built by forum friend, just fit inside the top hat. Powered by Invision Community. Klipsch may have gotten the 34 Hz figure from that test, knowing that they would go considerably lower in many rooms. Be sure to try several listening locations. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . sweet. Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. I know you'll enjoy the process of getting a new pair of these legendary speakers! I'd planned on building a new motorboard to use with it, but was moving into a place that could not accommodate Khorns, so didn't go further with that project. Altec horn numbers give you a hint to the low frequency cut off of the horn. HERES Why Your Subwoofer is Bottoming Out (And How to FIX It!) 811 sounds just like 511 but 511 has a higher cutt-off frequency. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. They are small compared to an A7 or an A5 and they consequently give up LF performance as small vented boxes. In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences. Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. One nice thing about this dilemma is that if you buy used speakers of this quality at a reasonable price, you can live with them for a few months or years and get most or all of your money out of them when you sell them. i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. How about a University SA-H? dkalsi In my experience, the Model 19 is preferable to either Klipsch speaker I owned. Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. I wish I had an option to get some new khorns. You need the Altec 511b horn instead. exactly. Thats why the Altec / Klipsch combo works best Although we have industrial La Scalas now and having sold our K-horns recently, my wife and were pleasantly surprised by how little space they actually occupy when nudged into long wall corners (in our case, 21 feet apart). WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. 5) The Altec A-7s sound much like the much bigger Altecs used with the magnetic stereo widescreen movies of the late '50s and the '60s, except that the bigger The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?". The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and I know Al K. is using them on his Belles for sure. Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. technical data seem to indicate the Jubs would be better. In at least one pitting of the Altec A7 against the Khorn, the Khorn had considerably better very high frequency response, even though both did not extend much beyond 15K Hz. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. The JBL driver has a continuous roll off. Dr. Mbius - Dee is right. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. It's reality. Studio monitor class. i'd suggest taking a look at Dave's fastlane audio website. They're also smaller (at least, not as tall as) the Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, You can post now and register later. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. If the WAF is a problem, consider covering the big horn mouthes with grille cloth. I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Coolhandjjl, Jun 4, 2010. Many Altec sheets used to say their tweeters went out to 22K Hz, but I have never seen this confirmed by other testers. I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic!
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